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Before I jump into the core of this article let me explain a little bit about Indian laws.
Section 2 (f) of THE IMMORAL TRAFFIC (PREVENTION) ACT 1956 states
“Prostitution” means the sexual exploitation or abuse of persons for commercial purposes, and the expression “prostitute” shall be construed accordingly;
Although prostitution is absolutely legal all over India, it is restricted in some places as mentioned in section 7 of the aforementioned Act, which says Prostitution in or in the vicinity of public places are punishable.
Anyone who has got the elementary education can understand ‘commercial’ means anything involved with money or an activity done in order to make money. Don’t think that I stopped my lecture on law and started English lecture. You will understand the reason why I explained the word commercial when you look at the Acts mentioned below
The Hindu Adoptions and Maintenance Act, 1956
Section 18. Maintenance of wife.- (1) Subject to the provisions of this section, a Hindu wife, whether married before or after the commencement of this Act, shall be entitled to be maintained by her husband during her life time.
Code of Criminal Procedure 1973, Section 125
Section (1) If any person leaving sufficient means neglects or refuses to maintain-
(a) His wife, unable to maintain herselfThe Protection of Women From Domestic Violence Act, 2005
Section 24. Monetary reliefs.
Subsection 1(d) the maintenance for the aggrieved person as well as her children, if any, including an order under or in addition to an order of maintenance under section 125 of the Code of Criminal Procedure, 1973 (2 of 1974) or any other law for the time being in force.Subsection (2) The monetary relief granted under this section shall be adequate, fair and reasonable and consistent with the standard of living to which the aggrieved person is accustomed.
Based on the Domestic Violence Act, 2005 if wife wants to have sex and husband refuses for any reason that is considered to be sexual abuse because that humiliates, degrades or otherwise violates the dignity of woman. As per this Act isn’t India government forcing men to do sex and commercialize by forcing men to pay for it based on HAMA, 1956 or CrPC 125? Doesn’t that mean India Government is considering every married woman as defined in Section 2 (f) of THE IMMORAL TRAFFIC (PREVENTION) ACT?
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Is it the equality for which our constitution has been framed. Why should a man be forced for maintaining his wife? It's totally against the principle of equality. It makes the women dependent on their husbands.
(Local Perspectives)
Constitution has been dishonored all these years misinterpreting Article 15(3)!!!
Article 15(3) of The Constitution of India allows the State to give provisions for women and children. But if we look at the Constitution little bit further down. 15(5), 16(2), 19(2), 19(3), 19(4), 19(5), 19(6), 25(2), 33, 34, 35(a), you will find the key difference between PROVISION and PROVISION BY LAW. Where ever The Constitution gives the provision to make Law it clearly says so, but in the case of 15(3) it’s just Provision.
Hence, all those gender biased laws are absolutely against The Constitution.
Article 15(3) of The Constitution of India allows the State to give provisions for women and children. But if we look at the Constitution little bit further down. 15(5), 16(2), 19(2), 19(3), 19(4), 19(5), 19(6), 25(2), 33, 34, 35(a), you will find the key difference between PROVISION and PROVISION BY LAW. Where ever The Constitution gives the provision to make Law it clearly says so, but in the case of 15(3) it’s just Provision.
Hence, all those gender biased laws are absolutely against The Constitution.
(Global Perspectives)
@ Pasoon
After the historic judgment on homosexuality I think court should legalize the prostitution. It will reduce the burden on police also.
After the historic judgment on homosexuality I think court should legalize the prostitution. It will reduce the burden on police also.
(Local Perspectives)
Yash, as long as it is not in the vicinity of public places and if women are not forced to do that its absolutely legal. But police are bound to take action IF someone complains.
(Global Perspectives)
@Yash
Why are we all interested in becoming sons and daughters of prostitutes?
Why are we all interested in becoming sons and daughters of prostitutes?
(Local Perspectives)
@Prassoon
I wish you to make remove the confusion that has entered in my mind after reading ” if wife wants to have sex and husband refuses for any reason that is considered to be sexual abuse because that humiliates, degrades or otherwise violates the dignity of woman.”
What if wife rejects the husband’s demand for sex ?What will it be treated as?
I know that if it persist for a long time it can be a ground for a divorce.But explain me it in light of Domestic Violence Act, 2005?
Again many women organizations are trying their level best for ”criminalization of marital rape”.How right are they in their demand when DV Act makes refusal of wife’s demand for sex a crime? Don’t you think there exists a great contradiction both in laws and approach of women organizations? If wife refuses sex and husband go on to fulfill his sexual urges he becomes guilty of ”marital rape” but if wife’s demand for sex is rejected the husband can be punished under DV Act.Under this circumstances will women be also held guilty of ”marital rape” ?
I wish you to make remove the confusion that has entered in my mind after reading ” if wife wants to have sex and husband refuses for any reason that is considered to be sexual abuse because that humiliates, degrades or otherwise violates the dignity of woman.”
What if wife rejects the husband’s demand for sex ?What will it be treated as?
I know that if it persist for a long time it can be a ground for a divorce.But explain me it in light of Domestic Violence Act, 2005?
Again many women organizations are trying their level best for ”criminalization of marital rape”.How right are they in their demand when DV Act makes refusal of wife’s demand for sex a crime? Don’t you think there exists a great contradiction both in laws and approach of women organizations? If wife refuses sex and husband go on to fulfill his sexual urges he becomes guilty of ”marital rape” but if wife’s demand for sex is rejected the husband can be punished under DV Act.Under this circumstances will women be also held guilty of ”marital rape” ?
(Local Perspectives)
Arvind, thats a genuine and logically valid doubt, but unfortunately Indian legal system is not based on logic or common sense!!! Men are second class citizens, so we have to sort out our own issues. In the scenario you mentioned, Govt suggests two solutions
1) Masturbation; which is SO FAR not an offense LOL.
2) Latest is lifting IPC Sec 377.
Thats what govt suggests for men. I doubt any of the marriage acts provides refusal of sex as ground for a divorce. Men once married SHOULD pay for that offense until wife dies.
Regarding women organisation’s demand, i would suggest to allocate a few states exclusive for women. If you’ve ever read the NCW recommendations for amendment of Criminal Procedure Code and new Sexual harrassment at work place bill, you will agree with me.
Do not think about the punishment part, the catch is the ”settlement”. Do you want to go to jail for n number of years or want to ”settle”... The same as what happens in dowry harrassment and rape cases. Its mere tax free trade!
1) Masturbation; which is SO FAR not an offense LOL.
2) Latest is lifting IPC Sec 377.
Thats what govt suggests for men. I doubt any of the marriage acts provides refusal of sex as ground for a divorce. Men once married SHOULD pay for that offense until wife dies.
Regarding women organisation’s demand, i would suggest to allocate a few states exclusive for women. If you’ve ever read the NCW recommendations for amendment of Criminal Procedure Code and new Sexual harrassment at work place bill, you will agree with me.
Do not think about the punishment part, the catch is the ”settlement”. Do you want to go to jail for n number of years or want to ”settle”... The same as what happens in dowry harrassment and rape cases. Its mere tax free trade!
(Global Perspectives)
@Prassoon
Like to inform you that ”refusal of sex as ground for a divorce” exists in Hindu Act.
Under clause (ia) of sub-section (1) of section 13 and under sub-section (1) of section 10 of the Hindu Marriage Act, 1955 cruelty is a ground of divorce as well as judicial separation respectively.Whether a particular act or conduct complained of is covered under the ground of cruelty or not, will always be decided on facts and circumstances in each case.
Cruelty is classified into two heads.
1. Physical cruelty and
2. Mental cruelty
Mental cruelty can be inflicted by many ways. A false criminal case to harass the husband would be an act of cruelty. Refusal to have marital intercourse, false complaints to the employees by the wife, an act of nagging, false, scandalous, malicious and baseless charges etc. come under the purview of mental cruelty.
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3.”UNILATERAL DECISION OF REFUSAL TO HAVE INTERCOURSE FOR A CONSIDERABLE PERIOD WITHOUT ANY PHYSICAL CAPACITY OR VALID REASON MAY AMOUNT TO MENTAL CRUELTY”
http://sawaal.ibibo.com/law/what-mental-cruelty-under-hindu-marriage-act-283081.html
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Like to inform you that ”refusal of sex as ground for a divorce” exists in Hindu Act.
Under clause (ia) of sub-section (1) of section 13 and under sub-section (1) of section 10 of the Hindu Marriage Act, 1955 cruelty is a ground of divorce as well as judicial separation respectively.Whether a particular act or conduct complained of is covered under the ground of cruelty or not, will always be decided on facts and circumstances in each case.
Cruelty is classified into two heads.
1. Physical cruelty and
2. Mental cruelty
Mental cruelty can be inflicted by many ways. A false criminal case to harass the husband would be an act of cruelty. Refusal to have marital intercourse, false complaints to the employees by the wife, an act of nagging, false, scandalous, malicious and baseless charges etc. come under the purview of mental cruelty.
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3.”UNILATERAL DECISION OF REFUSAL TO HAVE INTERCOURSE FOR A CONSIDERABLE PERIOD WITHOUT ANY PHYSICAL CAPACITY OR VALID REASON MAY AMOUNT TO MENTAL CRUELTY”
http://sawaal.ibibo.com/law/what-mental-cruelty-under-hindu-marriage-act-283081.html
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(Local Perspectives)
See the length of the legal battle.. i would say justice delayed is justice denied. It took 10 years for Samar Ghosh to get this judgement. And denial of sex in this case cannot be compared to the one as mentioned in PWDVA. As per PWDVA wife can even get a restraining order (generally obtained with some cooked up stories) on that ground; then husband and his parents (if in shared household) have to move out from their own house!!!
(Global Perspectives)
@Prassoon
I am not talking about any one particular case.I have merely stated that denial to have intercourse without any valid reason for a very long period is sufficient ground to have a divorce.I have not read the various cases based on this law so I cannot comment on it.Also there is no comparison.However,if read closely you will find that are both interlinked.
I wish to point out the contradiction that has arisen after new laws.You say that not giving way to wife’s demand is being termed as ”sexual abuse”.My point is that what would be wife’s refusal to have sex be treated as?What if the husband fulfill his desire much against the will of wife?Will that be not seen as ”marital rape”? In other words,if man not giving way to desires of women is a sexual abuse then the wife’s refusal to have sex should also be treated as abuse.What should be the laws to take note of wrong behavior of women that allow men to behave in criminal way?If either of the partner is not fulfilling the natural demands of each other why should he/she be not punished?
In other words ,laws should be framed keeping in mind the interests of both the partners.
I am not talking about any one particular case.I have merely stated that denial to have intercourse without any valid reason for a very long period is sufficient ground to have a divorce.I have not read the various cases based on this law so I cannot comment on it.Also there is no comparison.However,if read closely you will find that are both interlinked.
I wish to point out the contradiction that has arisen after new laws.You say that not giving way to wife’s demand is being termed as ”sexual abuse”.My point is that what would be wife’s refusal to have sex be treated as?What if the husband fulfill his desire much against the will of wife?Will that be not seen as ”marital rape”? In other words,if man not giving way to desires of women is a sexual abuse then the wife’s refusal to have sex should also be treated as abuse.What should be the laws to take note of wrong behavior of women that allow men to behave in criminal way?If either of the partner is not fulfilling the natural demands of each other why should he/she be not punished?
In other words ,laws should be framed keeping in mind the interests of both the partners.
(Local Perspectives)
Arvind: All of your questions were answered by our Apex Court judge Sri Markandey Katju LOL ”Obey your wife”.
What you have mentioned is a very valid point and based on the same grounds as of decriminalising homosexual acts, PWDVA can also be declared void. Hope someone who is fighting for justice under DV will bring that up soon.
All those gender biased laws should either be scraped or to be made gender neutral.
BTW, the phrase ”marital rape” is the creation of feminazis, I’m not sure whether or not it will stand in the court unless there are grave injuries.
What you have mentioned is a very valid point and based on the same grounds as of decriminalising homosexual acts, PWDVA can also be declared void. Hope someone who is fighting for justice under DV will bring that up soon.
All those gender biased laws should either be scraped or to be made gender neutral.
BTW, the phrase ”marital rape” is the creation of feminazis, I’m not sure whether or not it will stand in the court unless there are grave injuries.
(Global Perspectives)
Don’t people on this site see that what is happening here is a MONOLOGUE?
The conversation here just pretends to be a dialogue. Look closely, as well as in other similar-themed posts, and it is quite easy to discern that what happens in most of these posts is a MONOLOGUE.
There’s really NOT more than one person in these discussion threads that obviously have a premeditated agenda to degrade women.
Hey, man, the seams are starting to show.
The conversation here just pretends to be a dialogue. Look closely, as well as in other similar-themed posts, and it is quite easy to discern that what happens in most of these posts is a MONOLOGUE.
There’s really NOT more than one person in these discussion threads that obviously have a premeditated agenda to degrade women.
Hey, man, the seams are starting to show.
(Global Perspectives)
You should get immediate help buddy.. Psychiatrists associate this kind of behaviour to ’obsessive-compulsive disorder’, sometimes nicknamed a ”disease of doubt”
(Global Perspectives)
Yea Ronan, we have noticed. We even joking started calling them all the same name. Rohand!
Here is the mission statement of a group that one or all of them belong to, we know this because all of their arguments are backed up with links to this site.....
http://wemen.us/
We have a Men’s Rights Organisation sitting inside a Pro-Family name.
(Save Indian Families)
================
These Contradictions are deliberately built.
(Of course some foolish members even today do not understand why contradictions,
deceptions and treachery are important weapons against a bloody asshole sort of
enemy called Feminism).
Why, we were liberal?
Because, feminists are liberal. We wanted to sit in same boat as feminists, so
that it is difficult for them to attack us.
In fact, we wanted to be mirror images of feminists so that they find it
difficult to attack us. We never wanted any high moral ground. What will I do
with high moral ground? Cultivate ground nuts?
If we had been conservatives, then feminists can easily attack us as they have
years of practice of attacking conservatives. Conservatives are born assholes in
any case.
See, we are not here to take any classes on morals and ethics.
We were facing terrorism and we got to screw enemy and we decided to screw in
whatever possible way, we find.
Jerks need Jerk style treatment.
If you want to live in peace:
1) Use Contradictions, where ever possible.
2) Believe that you are jerk, be comfortable with it.
3) Be a pain in the ass for the system.
4) Do not use logic.
5) Screw society legally.
6) Tell everyone to be a jerk.
If you still do not understand, ask yourself the nature of your wife and in-laws
and compare their nature with above 6 points.
If anything is achieved in SIF, it is just because of jerks in it.
The others only did time pass and took credit.
The Indian System including legal system is designed for jerks and criminals.
Only jerks and criminals have respect in this system.
I hope, its clear to you:”What is SIF?”
SIF is a Pain in the Ass (PITA) to the System.
SIF is a Men’s Rights Organisation created by jerks for other jerks.
SIF is made and run by jerks, who always think they have nothing to lose.
SIF has no noble intentions except being a “pain in the ass” to the corrupt
system, the terrorists, the extortionists and feminist bitches.
The Day SIF becomes noble like Congress party, that day we lose all the battles,
the war and live like slaves.
So, do not try to make SIF a noble movement. It was not designed to be one.
If you really want to do noble things for men, women, children, humans, then
leave SIF and join Sonia’s youth Congress and do noble things.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
So as you can see from their own website it does no good to argue with them because they are self confessed jerks and very proud of the fact.
Here is the mission statement of a group that one or all of them belong to, we know this because all of their arguments are backed up with links to this site.....
http://wemen.us/
We have a Men’s Rights Organisation sitting inside a Pro-Family name.
(Save Indian Families)
================
These Contradictions are deliberately built.
(Of course some foolish members even today do not understand why contradictions,
deceptions and treachery are important weapons against a bloody asshole sort of
enemy called Feminism).
Why, we were liberal?
Because, feminists are liberal. We wanted to sit in same boat as feminists, so
that it is difficult for them to attack us.
In fact, we wanted to be mirror images of feminists so that they find it
difficult to attack us. We never wanted any high moral ground. What will I do
with high moral ground? Cultivate ground nuts?
If we had been conservatives, then feminists can easily attack us as they have
years of practice of attacking conservatives. Conservatives are born assholes in
any case.
See, we are not here to take any classes on morals and ethics.
We were facing terrorism and we got to screw enemy and we decided to screw in
whatever possible way, we find.
Jerks need Jerk style treatment.
If you want to live in peace:
1) Use Contradictions, where ever possible.
2) Believe that you are jerk, be comfortable with it.
3) Be a pain in the ass for the system.
4) Do not use logic.
5) Screw society legally.
6) Tell everyone to be a jerk.
If you still do not understand, ask yourself the nature of your wife and in-laws
and compare their nature with above 6 points.
If anything is achieved in SIF, it is just because of jerks in it.
The others only did time pass and took credit.
The Indian System including legal system is designed for jerks and criminals.
Only jerks and criminals have respect in this system.
I hope, its clear to you:”What is SIF?”
SIF is a Pain in the Ass (PITA) to the System.
SIF is a Men’s Rights Organisation created by jerks for other jerks.
SIF is made and run by jerks, who always think they have nothing to lose.
SIF has no noble intentions except being a “pain in the ass” to the corrupt
system, the terrorists, the extortionists and feminist bitches.
The Day SIF becomes noble like Congress party, that day we lose all the battles,
the war and live like slaves.
So, do not try to make SIF a noble movement. It was not designed to be one.
If you really want to do noble things for men, women, children, humans, then
leave SIF and join Sonia’s youth Congress and do noble things.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
So as you can see from their own website it does no good to argue with them because they are self confessed jerks and very proud of the fact.
(Global Perspectives)
Nuya: wow you seems to have sweat a lot to find what SIF is LOL.. shit load of hatred too... what happened buddy.. are you ok? What are you going paranoid for? do you need some help? Btw what is this to do with my article?
(Global Perspectives)
Dude, you are the one who is paranoid!
All those links you post from there and you think no one reads them? How could I possibly see a thing like ”Certified Asshole Blog” and not read it? If you didn’t want people to see the hate filled crap posted there, you would not keep posting links from there.
It is a response to Ronan Travis’s comment....look at the comment that it is posted on. But I can see how you would have a persecution complex, it is understandable when you spend so much time on that neurotic website.
All those links you post from there and you think no one reads them? How could I possibly see a thing like ”Certified Asshole Blog” and not read it? If you didn’t want people to see the hate filled crap posted there, you would not keep posting links from there.
It is a response to Ronan Travis’s comment....look at the comment that it is posted on. But I can see how you would have a persecution complex, it is understandable when you spend so much time on that neurotic website.
(Global Perspectives)
i dont know when did i post that LOL... But based on the standard of your comment I cant find any difference from you and those who wrote ”Certified Asshole Blog” LOL
(Global Perspectives)
So, to the point, are working visas available as any work permits for young people?
And can males get them non-discriminatorily?
It could be some solution for cleaning the streets in recession-affected civilised world.
And can males get them non-discriminatorily?
It could be some solution for cleaning the streets in recession-affected civilised world.
(Global Perspectives)
Chill,
Prasoon, Nuya is afraid of men’s rise as activists and is making naive and insane attempts to thwart it.
Enjoy her jokes like you enjoy an insane person getting up on to the bridge.
The views on www.wemen.us are disturbing enough for a feminist like Nuya who is stuck with false stories of torture on women.
She is not able to digest realities, hence these insane reactions.
Enjoy the fame.
Prasoon, Nuya is afraid of men’s rise as activists and is making naive and insane attempts to thwart it.
Enjoy her jokes like you enjoy an insane person getting up on to the bridge.
The views on www.wemen.us are disturbing enough for a feminist like Nuya who is stuck with false stories of torture on women.
She is not able to digest realities, hence these insane reactions.
Enjoy the fame.
(Local Perspectives)
Keep posting ... that way everyone can see that you are certifiably insane as everyone but your alter egos have already noticed.
(Global Perspectives)
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I don't know why people oppose the prostitution? What is bad in earning through prostitution. Take it just like other labour works where one sells his labour for making money.
Don’t lose your temper.Don’t take it personally ! What will be your reaction if your wife,daughter and sister get involved in this profession citing the same perverted logic offered by you.
Will you say go ahead and carry out your noble actions with air of dignity?
BTW, what are your criteria of deciding what is good and what is bad? Are women personal property or commodity that can be used by one and only one man. She is human being and have right to do what she wants. Even in a situation where one choose the prostitution to live a luxurious life nothing is bad in it?
The concept of good and bad may appear to be extremely relative terms but their relativeness cannot be a pretext to justify wrong actions or actions threatening for the concept of an ideal society.
”To the majority of the world today Hitler’s campaign was a vile act of genocide, but in his mind, no matter how twisted we may or may not think it may have been, his actions were perfectly rational and he had the speaking skills to convince others of this.”
In other words,if we are hell bent on justifying actions then we can almost justify anything.Well Morse sound right when he says that ;’That which is good is that which leans toward the Universal Truth.”Bad” moves away from or detracts from Truth’.
To be more precise let me say that an act is good or bad is not entirely dictated by the choice of an individual.If that’s the case,then my ”good” or ”truth” can come to cause harm to others.
” Human ideas about good and bad are more of an encompassing criterion than discrete, individual and of a non-continuum composition....Value theory or axiology may assign coherent constants to concepts such as good or bad grounded in the Universe for-itself and absolute moral laws following categorical imperatives such as Immanuel Kant described ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C ategorical_imperative ) or alternatively divine command based ethical systems in case one happens to be in particular valid.”
Sorry!Made U read a long stuff but you know it’s not that easy to separate good from bad more so in our times when foul is fair.
Women is not a personal property but let not forget that difference between humans and animals should remain intact.Going by the so-called ”personal choices” tomorrow a time may come when we doing sex like dogs in open.I don’t know how comfortable we or our children be in a society in grip of animal instincts !!
Sahir rightly says that ”Tora Man Darpan Kahlaye”